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Post by Davemc on Aug 5, 2014 18:38:27 GMT
Aye, I can vaguely understand because more often than not people recommend cheap kit because its cheap, not because its good (I have met far too many people like that, including family!). Yeah I think that's the problem. I've seen plenty of budget stuff which was raved about online and then when I finally got to try it it was clear that the ravers had lowered their expectations because of the price. Not saying that's necessarily the case here, and if I were less lazy I'd get one to try, but just on past experience a lot of the budget stuff can be a false economy.
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Post by Tony on Aug 5, 2014 21:01:30 GMT
Do it.
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Post by MDV on Aug 6, 2014 12:09:29 GMT
Aye, I can vaguely understand because more often than not people recommend cheap kit because its cheap, not because its good (I have met far too many people like that, including family!). Yeah I think that's the problem. I've seen plenty of budget stuff which was raved about online and then when I finally got to try it it was clear that the ravers had lowered their expectations because of the price. Not saying that's necessarily the case here, and if I were less lazy I'd get one to try, but just on past experience a lot of the budget stuff can be a false economy. Can be true. Isn't with entwistles. They hang with the big names easily.
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Post by Davemc on Aug 6, 2014 16:31:44 GMT
Oh yeah absolutely, I'm not saying they don't as I've never tried them. I should probably also have said, for balance, that I've also tried plenty of stuff which was expensive and hyped and it didn't live up to the hype or justify the expense either, so it can definitely go both ways. I think it's the usual thing, judge everything on its own merits. Though that can be difficult and expensive, it'd be a lot handier if there were black and white rules about which stuff was good and which stuff wasn't... I probably will at some point but I need to open get out the soldering iron I bought ages ago and figure out how to use the darn thing competently
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Post by Tony on Aug 6, 2014 16:40:20 GMT
Oh yeah absolutely, I'm not saying they don't as I've never tried them. I should probably also have said, for balance, that I've also tried plenty of stuff which was expensive and hyped and it didn't live up to the hype or justify the expense either, so it can definitely go both ways. I think it's the usual thing, judge everything on its own merits. Though that can be difficult and expensive, it'd be a lot handier if there were black and white rules about which stuff was good and which stuff wasn't... I probably will at some point but I need to open get out the soldering iron I bought ages ago and figure out how to use the darn thing competently There are black & white rules about what is good and what isn't. Your ears. Unfortunately this is also an expensive test in most cases. If you search on youtube there are some pretty good soldering guides. The key thing is to not use crap solder. That will save you many headaches literally.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 20:48:36 GMT
Given the price on them, and especially if you go 6 string, it could be a £30-40 experiment, which is less than you'd pay for many SDs or Dimarzio's second hand. I'm loving the Dark Star, and the HDN is loved by a lot of people, so just them two could be a good experiment anyway.
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Post by Blankplank on Aug 6, 2014 21:10:59 GMT
There definitely needs to be a HDN7. The Darkstar ND is intriguing me though!
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Post by MDV on Aug 6, 2014 21:17:17 GMT
I dont know why they didnt go with HDN 7 first. It seems so obvious. Maybe getting the neo magnets cut for 7 was problematic.
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Post by Blankplank on Aug 6, 2014 21:21:13 GMT
That wouldn't make any sense, as the Darkstar ND is neo and 7, hahah
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Post by Tony on Aug 6, 2014 21:23:41 GMT
That wouldn't make any sense, as the Darkstar ND is neo and 7, hahah The 7 version is ceramic!
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Post by Tony on Aug 6, 2014 21:24:45 GMT
I dont know why they didnt go with HDN 7 first. It seems so obvious. Maybe getting the neo magnets cut for 7 was problematic. The last time that I spoke with Alan & Keith about it the magnets would be a significant outlay for something they didn't think there would be a market for hence why they are testing the waters for 7s with more readily available arrangements first.
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Post by Blankplank on Aug 6, 2014 21:28:47 GMT
That wouldn't make any sense, as the Darkstar ND is neo and 7, hahah The 7 version is ceramic! I thought they made a 7 version of the DSND?
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Post by Tony on Aug 6, 2014 21:32:23 GMT
The 7 version is ceramic! I thought they made a 7 version of the DSND? Nope just the Ceramic VIII as far as I know.
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Post by Davemc on Aug 6, 2014 21:59:50 GMT
Oh yeah absolutely, I'm not saying they don't as I've never tried them. I should probably also have said, for balance, that I've also tried plenty of stuff which was expensive and hyped and it didn't live up to the hype or justify the expense either, so it can definitely go both ways. I think it's the usual thing, judge everything on its own merits. Though that can be difficult and expensive, it'd be a lot handier if there were black and white rules about which stuff was good and which stuff wasn't... I probably will at some point but I need to open get out the soldering iron I bought ages ago and figure out how to use the darn thing competently (a) There are black & white rules about what is good and what isn't. Your ears. Unfortunately this is also an expensive test in most cases. (b) If you search on youtube there are some pretty good soldering guides. The key thing is to not use crap solder. That will save you many headaches literally. (a) Yeah that's sort of what I meant considering most things you have to buy to try Even my ears I don't trust, too much psychology involved... (b) Thanks. Yeah I was thinking Youtube was probably the place to go. Loads of good instructional videos on there these days. What would you consider to be non-crap solder, out of interest? Easily/readily-available too. I bought some stuff out of maplin (unopened ), but obviously using crappy stuff is a false economy and will just put me off. Given the price on them, and especially if you go 6 string, it could be a £30-40 experiment, which is less than you'd pay for many SDs or Dimarzio's second hand. I'm loving the Dark Star, and the HDN is loved by a lot of people, so just them two could be a good experiment anyway. Is that to me? Biggest impediment is my incompetence at soldering rather than the price of the pickups
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Post by Tony on Aug 6, 2014 22:03:09 GMT
(a) There are black & white rules about what is good and what isn't. Your ears. Unfortunately this is also an expensive test in most cases. (b) If you search on youtube there are some pretty good soldering guides. The key thing is to not use crap solder. That will save you many headaches literally. (a) Yeah that's sort of what I meant considering most things you have to buy to try Even my ears I don't trust, too much psychology involved... (b) Thanks. Yeah I was thinking Youtube was probably the place to go. Loads of good instructional videos on there these days. What would you consider to be non-crap solder, out of interest? Easily/readily-available too. I bought some stuff out of maplin (unopened ), but obviously using crappy stuff is a false economy and will just put me off. The maplin stuff is workable but I use it as a last resort. Check out places like RS components. It's not very environment friendly but try get some leaded solder. It's far easier to work with. This will be far better than the Maplins solder. Leaded SolderI've had good experiences with Wilkinsons solder in the past too but they seem to have stopped doing it.
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